blues Goes GREEN?

This is mostly from a comment I posted on the The Ron Paul REVOLUTION entry. I am hopping mad as hell, and I am not going to take it anymore. Hillary Clinton's vote for the Kyl-Lieberman Amendment, which labels Iran's military as a terrorist organization, is a clear go-ahead for Bush to launch a new Middle East War! If you will not see that, we have nothing to argue about, because my mind is 100% made up. This will not stand!

Nader Rides Again

CNN
Source: Gore thinks Clinton unstoppable
October 12, 2007

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A source involved in Gore's past political runs told CNN that he definitely has the ambition to use the peace prize as a springboard to run for president.

But he will not run, because he won't take on the political machine assembled by Sen. Hillary Clinton, said the source. If the senator from New York had faltered at all, Gore would take a serious look at entering the race, the source said. But Gore has calculated that Clinton is unstoppable, according to the source.

Let me put it this way. I started my blogging career at a long-gone website called "repentantnadervoters.org". I held the position that voting for Nader in 2000 was very mistaken, but understandable.

Times have changed. In particular, Hillary Clinton has just now signed on to the Shiite hatred enabling Kyl-Lieberman Amendment:

Washington, DC - "Earlier today, I voted for a non-binding resolution that designates the Iranian Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization. The Revolutionary Guards are deeply involved in Iran's nuclear program and  have substantial links with Hezbollah.

More war? Maybe it's time to dust off Ralph Nader.

Unless somebody comes up with one hell of an argument, I will go to City Hall and register in the Green Party on Monday morning.


Poll
Should I Go Green On Monday?
YES!
No
I'll Think About It

Votes: 4
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Do whatever you want (none / 0)

But a vote for the Greens is a vote for Republicans.

The Republicans back the greens.  They pay the money for morons who vote and run as greens.  These idiots just ignore the money source and think that they are virtuous.  In point of fact, they are idiots.

Eric Prince, head of Blackwater, has funded green Party candidates.  Is Prince a Green?  Of course not.  He is a Republican.  He pays money to split the opposition.

So, be a green, and that's just the same as being a republican.


by dataguy on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 08:18:31 AM EST

Re: Do whatever you want (2.00 / 1)

Does it matter if it is a vote for the GOP if you hate the Dem running?

Should we as voters be willing to turn ourselves into hypocrites just to maintain party purity?

At that point, it ain't a party... unless you are using the term as the Soviets used it.


Town Called Dobson - Daily Political Cartoon: Not all is red in rural America!
by stormbear on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 05:21:39 PM EST
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Re: Do whatever you want (none / 0)

Check your funding.  Democratic candidates get money from the same sources as Republican candidates. Kerry's donors & Bush's donors were the same people.  They are 2 faces of one corporate party.

The Green Party won't even take money from corporations.

Choose your masters.

peace,
Ian


by iwilder on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 10:55:20 AM EST
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You Have A Right (none / 0)

.... to that point of view. I think a lot of people just see the Green Party as a hindrance to the Democratic Party. In fact, the Greens tend to be very well-intended people who are dealing with a very flawed system. (I hope the Greens give up on the IRV idea, it really get tricky if more than 3 candidates are in play, and as I point out in a link below, it doesn't even remove the spoiler effect.)


by blues on Sun Oct 14, 2007 at 02:18:53 PM EST
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Greens are soft-headed idiots (none / 0)

They are basically the useful idiots of the right.  They are supported by rightwingnuts to siphon votes away from Democrats.  They will never win any useful offices.   They are just there to pull away purity voters.

No, I would NEVER vote for a Green, even if the Democrat was some very conservative.

Political parties are teams.  You stick with your team, even if the player is not to your liking.  A vote for a third team is a vote for the main opponent.

Anyone who doesn't understand that is clueless about American politics.  It's just that simple.

If you ain't fur us, yer agin us.

That's the whole deal right there.


by dataguy on Mon Oct 15, 2007 at 09:38:35 AM EST
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no, you should vote Democrat (none / 0)

First, I reject your premise that Hillary is unstoppable.

But even if she were, you should vote Democrat in the general election. At least the corporate-friendly moderate judges Hillary would appoint would be pro-choice.


John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."
by desmoinesdem on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 09:25:32 AM EST

Re: no, you should vote Democrat (none / 0)

We got thousands of people without basic rights in Iraq and our freedoms being eroded at home. I think having a proChoice judge is not the only concern. Maybe we should change the way SC judges have lifetime tenure to avoid this 2 party blackmail.


by Pravin on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 10:20:12 AM EST
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Sometimes I admire Republicans (none / 0)

Politically at least.  They do a pretty good job of keeping their eyes on the prize, staying united, keeping their internal squabbles out the media, and working out their disputes within the party.

On the left it seems many are more inclined to pee and moan and to want to run off torpedoing the Party in the process.  This happened in 2000 and we got Bush instead of Gore.  But activists like Nader argued at the time that wasn't any difference between the two men.  Real smert.

Nader deserves scorn for his stupidity, not more support.


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 10:34:40 AM EST

Sound familar (none / 0)

From 2000:

"I have several reasons I am voting for him, but to avoid a long email, I'll just mention two very important ones. I am voting for Nader because he sees the problems with these megacorp powers, and I think he will fight for the people (Gore and Bush are both Valenti-like corporate puppets)."

http://www.2600.com/news/view/article/7

I wonder if that poster still thinks Gore is a corporate puppet?

From Jim Hightower supporting Nader in PBS ( in an interview debate  with Paul Wellstone advocating Gore):

"But now I look up at my national party, and the Al Gores and the Democratic Leadership Council; they've taken off the old Sears Roebuck work boots and strapped on the Guccis and Puccis that the Republicans strut around in."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/ july-dec00/nader_10-24.html

Thinks anyone cares if Gore wears Gucci's these days?


by dpANDREWS on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 10:50:50 AM EST

Strange Days (none / 0)

I didn't say anything about how I would vote, or who I would even support. Maybe the Green Party should take every Republican dime they can get, and then have the candidate pull out at the last minute.

The point is, by registering as a Green now, it would get someone's notice. Suppose we all just do that Monday? Then we keep on doing what we're doing, except we collect money from Republicans.

By the way, I was personally the first political blogger to dredge up an actual photo of a College Republican at a Nader display table, which published in a student newspaper. In 2004, I also was first to call attention to a PDF of an official notice, complete with official Republican letterhead, sent by a local Republican committee asking people to donate to Nader. And they did do that. And Nader finally even acknowledged it. I posted it all at the now-gone repentantnadervoter.org, which some here will even remember, perhaps. Strange days.

There is one, and only one, reasonable way to circumvent the spoiler effect (I invented that term and promoted it heavily after '04), and I explained that

HERE

Unfortunately, so few people voted that a multiple tie occurred, so I gave up going to the final runoff. (Thanks everyone who voted!!! And every one that did included Dennis Kucinich!)

Some people are fanatical about IRV or Condorcet voting. But in any race involving four or more candidates, these require complex, and more to the point, insecure, counting procedures. And trust me, it always happens; people will still give one first rank vote to the strongest "compromise" candidate. So the spoiler effect does not go away at all.


by blues on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 11:39:49 AM EST

Re: Strange Days (none / 0)

I need a "2", folks! People are trying to stop this "bad boy"!


by blues on Sat Oct 13, 2007 at 06:47:40 PM EST
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